Seventh interrogation of Willi Graf

Munich, March 2, 1943

For the continuation of this interrogation, the following person was led forth from police custody: Wilhelm Graf (personal data already known).

Upon inquiry, he made the following statements:

Question: Once more I pose this question to you and admonish you to give exact and honest answers thereto: When you traveled to Bonn, Freiburg i.Br., and Ulm, whom did you meet with regarding the distribution of leaflets, or rather, with whom did you speak about the production and distribution of leaflets?

Answer: As we were running off the leaflets entitled “Resistance Movement in Germany” – this was approximately mid-January – Hans Scholl suggested that these leaflets should be distributed simultaneously in various cities across Southern Germany. This would have a greater effect and simultaneously would create the impression that this was being done by a large organization with many branches.

While contemplating this, Scholl asked me to meet up with my friends and acquaintances in my homeland and in the Rhineland regarding the distribution of leaflets, at the very least attempting to recruit my friends for our work. I consented to travel to Bonn to see what could be done there.

On January 20 or 21, 1943, as I have already stated, I left for Bonn. The first thing I wanted to do in Bonn was assess the overall mood, who among my friends and acquaintances would come into question to help us with the leaflets or to distribute them. But as soon as I got out from under Scholl’s influence, that is, on the way to Bonn, I began to have some reservations [about the matter]. I then hit upon the idea [large illegible section, approximately 2-1/2 pages long].

He [Bollinger] would then have to pay for the postage of sending the leaflets by mail to all social classes among the populace.

Bollinger rejected this unreasonable request, and namely with the words: “I will not sacrifice myself for something like that.” He additionally stated that leaflet propaganda was not the proper way to remedy the previously discussed problems, that time itself would take care of those problems.

Additionally, one must leave such changes or clarifications to qualified personnel. I understood “qualified personnel” to mean appointed government or Party or clerical persons. Because of Bollinger’s oppositional point of view, I did not even show him one of the leaflets. Additionally, I did not tell him about the progress that had already been made in putting this plan into action. [Full page of the interrogation was illegible]

…up and down in front of the fountain or rather the grounds in front of the entrance to the university to protect Scholl from possible surprise. It was fairly dark that evening, yet I could still see the inscriptions that Scholl was painting, because I would occasionally walk up to the entrance to the university so I could see what was going on for myself. However, I did not notice Scholl using a template to paint the words “Down with Hitler” at the entrance to the university. I did not see the template at all that day.

Scholl and I left the university and went home. It was about 1 am.

I do not have any more relevant statements to make.

Recorded by: /Signature: Mohr/

Read, approved, and signed by: /Signature: Wilhelm Graf/


Source: NJ1704 (141 – 142)

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