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The Chief Prosecutor of the People’s Court
File No.: 6J 24/43
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The Chief Prosecutor of the People’s Court
File No.: 6J 24/43
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6 J 24 /43
1 H 101/43
IN THE NAME OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE
In the criminal case against Continue reading
/Stamp: April 28, 1943/
Public Session of the 1st Council of the People’s Court
Munich, April 19, 1943 Continue reading
2nd Trial Against the Students in Munich
April 19, 1943
Munich – Palace of Justice Continue reading
One time she assisted with the distribution of leaflets, but the People’s Court does not charge her particularly with that crime. It happened as follows: She was going out with the Scholl sister, who was carrying a briefcase. She stopped at a mailbox, opened the briefcase, and began putting letters in the mailbox. Schertling helped her by raising the lid of the mailbox. This happened so suddenly and unexpectedly, that she did not think at that time that she was helping to undermine the State. Continue reading
Dr. Diepold was appointed attorney for the accused Gisela Schertling, Dr. Deppisch for the accused Katharina Schüddekopf, and Mr. Klein for the accused Traude [sic] Lafrenz. … Continue reading
II A Skd./Gei. [Special Commission / Geith]
Munich, April 6, 1943
/Handwritten: Final report/
Regarding: Case of high treason, Hans Scholl.
Results of investigation in the matter of Katharina Schüddekopf. Continue reading
II A Skdo./Gei. [Special Commission/Geith]
Munich, March 29, 1943
The student Katharina Schüddekopf, currently in police custody (personal data known) wrote a letter to her friend Frl. Dr. Verena Schiel, Erfurt, Ludendorff Str. 40. In that letter, she told her about the circumstances surrounding her arrest. Since the letter may not be mailed, it was held back and confiscated. Continue reading
My political thinking and my attitudes towards the National Socialist State are conditioned by and based on the understanding of an academically educated person and on the understanding of a woman. [Note 1] Continue reading
Secret State Police [Gestapo]
State Police Headquarters Munich
Munich, March 23, 1943 Continue reading
Suddenly I heard about Traute’s arrest, however five days later. They picked her up early Monday morning. I did not have that “honor”.
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Suddenly I heard about Traute’s arrest, however five days later. They picked her up early Monday morning. I did not have that “honor”.
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One week later on Monday [March 1, 1943], I saw Traute Lafrenz at a concert at the Bayerischer Hof. Continue reading
On March 1 or March 3, 1943 in the afternoon, I met Lafrenz once again. I do not remember whether it was in my apartment or in hers. Continue reading
Question: How much do you know about Lafrenz’s interrogations that have already taken place? Continue reading
As I have already said, Lafrenz showed a great deal of interest in the Scholl matter when he was arrested. But as far as I can tell from talking to her, I do not think she knew much about the leaflets. Continue reading
The next Wednesday [February 24, 1943], Traute Lafrenz and the sisters and brother of Hans Scholl showed up at my apartment around 9 pm. Continue reading
After that, I went to a dairy on Leopold Str. There I met a [male] student whom I had once seen with Scholl. He asked me if I knew anything about the people who had been arrested. I did not have the impression that he had any connection to the matter. Continue reading
As best as I could learn, Lafrenz went to visit Hans Scholl’s parents in Ulm immediately after his arrest. I do not know what she wanted to do there. She probably wanted to tell the parents about his arrest. Continue reading
I also know that she took Hans Scholl’s personal effects, while I did not bother myself with that. I do not know why Lafrenz behaved that way. Continue reading
Later I learned that those arrested were Hans and Sophie Scholl. However, I still would not have believed that the Scholl siblings were capable of such a thing. Continue reading
When we entered the university building, my brother and I met several male and female students on the stairs to the second floor. They were just leaving Dr. Huber’s lecture. Continue reading
Question: Did you meet anyone you knew on the way from your apartment to the university?
Answer: I did not meet anyone on the way, but directly in front of the entrance to the university on Ludwig Street, I met the medical student Willi Graf (resides at Mandl Str. 1 c/o Bersche [sic]) and the medical student Traude [sic] Lafrenz, residence unknown. Continue reading
Willi Graf and Traute Lafrenz had left the lecture 10 minutes before its conclusion. I also did not see them at the university later. I do not know whether they took part in the distribution at the university. Continue reading
Willi Graf likewise was often in Scholl’s apartment, but not as often as Schmorell. He also worked with Hans Scholl and Schmorell. But I never knew what they were working on. Graf never brought anyone with him when he came to visit. Continue reading
On that day [February 18, 1943], I went to Professor Huber’s lecture around 10:15. I met Traute Lafrenz and Willi Graf there. They also attended the lecture.
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Schmorell Alexander, Graf Willi, Geier [Note 1] from Ulm, Furtmeier from Munich, Christoph Probst, Professor Huber, Falk Harnack, Traute Lafrenz, Karin [sic] Schüddekopf, Jäger [Note 1] [sic] from Munich, Otto Aicher from Ulm, Eickemayr [Note 1][sic], Bäuerle or Feuerle from Ulm (work colleague of Geyer). Continue reading
I met Graf on the occasion of the evening at Schmorell’s. I never came into closer contact with him. As far as I could tell, he reacted to the political debates very passively. I only met him on the evening at Schmorell’s and Eickemeyer’s. Lafrenz told me that Graf is a good friend of Scholl and often associated with him in his residence. Continue reading
Hans Scholl invited the same circle [Note 1] to a reading by Theodor Haecker. The following persons were there in addition: Traute Lafrenz, Karin [sic] Schüddekopf, Mrs. Dohrn, and two or three other [male] students from Scholl’s [Student] Company; I do not know their names. Continue reading
In all the conversations I had with Lafrenz, I did not get the impression that she had been initiated into Scholl’s operations. However, she had always shown a very great interest in Hans Scholl. … Continue reading
After being shown the last paragraph in a letter from Traude Lafrenz, now residing in Munich, Steinsdorf Str. 7, c/o Gmeling, I will give the following explanation: Continue reading
I know a female student named Lafrenz – who is from Hamburg and currently studies in Munich – only casually from [my time in] Hamburg. I introduced Miss Lafrenz to the Scholl siblings. She dropped by the Scholl siblings’ residence often, but I do not believe that she learned about our treasonous propaganda from the Scholl siblings. I know Miss Lafrenz only casually and would be wary about trusting /added by hand: her/ with such a thing. Continue reading
Remonstrance: In your previous interrogations, you have repeatedly stated that you were never in Scholl’s apartment. Additional investigation and statements made by others prove that the opposite is true. Why have you kept this fact a secret till now? Continue reading
I saw Traute Lafrenz in Scholl’s apartment twice, and likewise in Eickemeyer’s studio twice. Continue reading
But I also remember seeing him [Kurt Huber] there [Hans Scholl’s apartment] once in January. On that occasion, I saw him for about half an hour. Lafrenz was there as well. But on that occasion I could not tell whether treasonous conversations were held.
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Lafrenz told me that Geyer often ate breakfast with the Scholl siblings. I cannot make any additional statements about the relationship between Geyer and Scholl.
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Source: Second interrogation of Katharina Schüddekopf, March 24, 1943
Remonstrance: You have repeatedly stated that you recognized Hans Scholl’s treasonous attitudes because of statements he made. However, you have continually defended yourself with the assertion that you considered Hans Scholl’s political speechmaking to be only empty phrases and word games. Do you wish to continue to make this assertion? Continue reading
Question: Do you know an artist named Tröltsch? What do you know about him with regards to the Scholl matter? Continue reading
Remonstrance: You have repeatedly stated that you have not spoken about the leaflet “White Rose” with Lafrenz. Is it correct that you told Lafrenz that you suspected Scholl was author or distributor of the leaflets “White Rose”? Continue reading